Talavera , Salamanca etc

Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Cheltenham

Well I've been working on the Peninsular doc for you guys to use and I've come a bit stuck with the fnishing touches I'd like to add. I really want to put a few historical battles in their for people to play but I haven't a clue on how I'd do it and no idea on how I can represent each army correctly.. Confused

I was thinking along the line of how GW do the LOTR scenrio's but.. I thought I'd ask you guys as you know more Rolling Eyes

Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Newcastle Australia

I don't know how GW write there scenarios but your rules are for Brigade level so when you write the scenario you can not encompass the whole battle.

Pick a small area of the battle field ie the main road assault on the convent at Busaco or Major General Grahams attack over the bridge during the battle of Vitoria.

Another scenario could be blockading a road into the town of Arroyo for the battle of Arroyo dos Molinos.

Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Cheltenham

I've hada go at re creating the crucial stage of the battle in the centre with the 4th Division. ( i know its not Brigade but..)

How does this look for the list? Thier was no information I could find on specific French units invovled but a general overview of a decent force but not the greatest french line.

British Forces
Major General Lowrey Cole 4th

1st Dragoons Kings German Legion - 3 companies of Heavy Cavalry
2nd Dragoons Kings German Legion - 3 companies of Heavy Cavalry
Artillery Battery – Light Artillery Batteries – 2 Full Batteries, 1 Full Heavy Battery (no howitzers)

Major General William Anson
27th Inniskilling Fusiliers - Battalion of Irish Line Infantry, 3 Companies
40th South Lancashire Regiment - Battalion of British Line Infantry, 3 Companies
60th Foot, the King’s Royal Rifle Corps – Battalion of British Light Infantry, 2 Companies

Lieutenant Colonel Ellis
7th Foot, the Royal Fusiliers - Battalion of Line Infantry,
3 Companies and attached Light Infantry
23rd Foot, the Royal Welch Fusiliers - Battalion of British Line Infantry,
3 Companies and attached Light Infantry
48th Foot, the Northamptonshire Regiment - Battalion of British Line Infantry, 3 Companies
Co Brunswick Oels - Battalion of Elite Light Infantry, 1 Company

Colonel George Stubbs
1st and 2nd/11th Portuguese Line - Battalion of Portuguese Regular Line Infantry, 3 Companies
1st and 2nd/23rd Portuguese Line - Battalion of Portuguese Regular Line Infantry, 3 Companies
7th Caçadores - Battalion of Spanish Elite Light Infantry, 3 Companies
Artillery Battery – Portuguese Light Artillery Batteries – 1 Full Battery

1st Portuguese Dragoons - 3 companies of Portuguese Dragoons, attach half Horse artillery battery.
11th Portuguese Dragoons - 3 companies of Portuguese Dragoons, attach half Horse artillery battery.
12th Portuguese Dragoons - 3 companies of Portuguese Dragoons

French Forces
Army of Portugal

General Jean Bonet's 8th

Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies, Grenadiers
Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies, Grenadiers
Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies,
Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies,
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies

Battalion of French Light Infantry, 2 Companies
Battalion of French Light Infantry, 2 Companies

3 companies of Dragoons
3 companies of Dragoons
3 companies of Dragoons

Battalion of Light Artillery, 2 Full Batteries, 2 Heavy Batteries

(Reserves)
General Bertrand Clausel 2nd
Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies
Battalion of French Line Infantry, 3 Companies
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies,
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies,
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies,
Battalion of French Conscript Infantry, 3 Companies,

Battalion of French Light Infantry, 2 Companies

3 companies of Light Cavalry
3 companies of Light Cavalry

Battalion of Light Artillery, 2 Full Batteries

Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Newcastle Australia

Some French regt at Tavavera: 8th, 16th, 24th, 28th, 32nd, 45th, 51st, 54th, 58th, 63rd, 75th, 94th, 95th and 96th.

Some French regt at Salamanca: 1st, 22nd, 27th, 39th, 47th, 50th, 59th, 62nd, 65th, 66th, 70th, 76th, 82th, 86th, 101st and 121st.

Some French regt at Vittoria: 8th, 24th, 28th, 88th, 94th, 95th, 100th, 103rd, 118th, 119th, 120th and 122nd.

I will look around for what units were in Bonet's Division and post if I find them.

The lists below look good, that is a big game points wish.

Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Cheltenham

I know if a fair few points but that's just the way it is. If people want to reduce the numbers for their own versions that's fine thsi is just the basic scenario to follow.

Yeah if you could find a list similiar to the Biriths list i've done for the French that would be great becasue i'm really just guessing here.

Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Newcastle Australia

I asked on another forum if anyone new the French regt at Talavera. Here the reply.

This oob is from the NapoleonSeries, doesn't mention Bonet or a 4th Division????

The French Army at Talavera de la Reyna: 27 - 28 July 1809
I Corps
By Stephen Millar

33 battalions, 8 squadrons and 36 guns

Commander: Perrin [dit Victor], Marshal Claude-Victor (Duke of Belluno)

1st Infantry Division - Ruffin, GdD Francois-Amable

Brigade - La Bruyere, GdB Andre-Adrien-Joseph, Baron de

9th Light Regiment: 3 battalions
Meunier, Colonel Claude-Marie
24th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Jamin, Colonel Baptiste

Brigade - Barrois, GdB Pierre, Baron

96th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Cales, Colonel Jean-Chrisostome

2nd Infantry Division - Lapisse, GdD Pierre-Bellon

Brigade - Solignac, GdB

8th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Autie, Colonel Jean-Francois-Etienne
54th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Philippon, Colonel Armand

Brigade - Laplanne, GdB

16th Light Regiment: 3 battalions
Dellard, Colonel Jean-Pierre
45th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Barrie, Colonel Jean-Leonard

3rd Infantry Division - Vilatte, GdD Eugene

Brigade - Cassagne, GdB Louis-Victorin, Baron

27th Light Regiment: 3 battalions
Lacoste, Colonel Clement-Jean-Etienne
63rd Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Mouton-Duvernet, Colonel Regis-Barthelemy, Baron

Brigade Puthod, GdB Jacques-Pierre-Louis-Marie-Joseph

94th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Combelle, Colonel Jean-Antoine-Francois
95th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Pechaux, Colonel Marc-Nicholas-Louis

Cavalry Brigade - Carriere, GdB Louis-Chretien (Baron de Beaumont)

2nd Hussar Regiment: 4 squadrons
Vinot, Colonel Gilbert-Julian
[3rd Hussar Regiment (Dutch): 4 squadrons]
I Corps Artillery
36 guns

IV Corps

21 battalions and 30 guns
Commander: Sebastiani, GdD Horace-Francois-Bastien, Comte
Chief-of-Staff: Franceschi, GdB Jean-Baptiste-Marie

1st Infantry Division - Liger-Belair, GdeB Louis (acting divisional commander)

Brigade - Rey, GdB Jean-Pierre-Antoine, Baron

28th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Toussaint, Colonel Jean-Francois, Baron
32nd Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Aymard, Colonel Antoine, Baron

Brigade - Liger-Belair, GdB Louis (see above)

58th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Legrand, Colonel Jean-Baptiste-Henri
75th Line Regiment: 3 battalions
Buquet, Colonel Charles-Joseph, Baron
Artillery
2 foot batteries

2nd [German] Infantry Division - Leval, GdD Jean-Francois, Baron

Brigade - Porbeck, OB Heinrich, Freiherr von

Baden Infantry Regiment Gross-Herzog Nr. 4: 2 battalions
Porbeck, OB Heinrich, Freiherr von
Nassau Infantry Regiment Nr. 2: 2 battalions
Kruse, OB August von
Baden Foot Battery: 2 – 7pdr howitzers****
Steinmetz, MAJ Franz-Friedrich-Christian von

Brigade - Chasse, GM David-Hendrik

Composite Dutch Infantry Regiment: 2 battalions
Grave, OB Baron de
Dutch Horse Artillery Battery Nr. 3: 6 guns
Trip, HPT Hendrik-Rudolph

Brigade - Grandjean, GdB Balthazard

Hessen-Darmstadt Infantry Regiment Gross- und Erbprinz Nr. 4: 2 battalions
Schaffer von Bernstein, GM Georg-Johann*****
Confederation of the Rhine Battalion Nr. 3 (Frankfurt)
Welsch, OBL von
2 Hessen-Darmstadt Foot Batteries: 4 – 6pdrs
Venator, LT Ludwig

No I wouldn't reduce the size if I was going to play a historical battle. My choice is Eckmuhl and the fighting around Unterlaiching.

Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 117 Location: Cheltenham

My force is Salamanca not Talavera.. that may be why theirs no mention of the 4th Cool

Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 55 Location: Newcastle Australia

This time I asked the other forum people the French OOB for Salamanca.

Here is what was sent.

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